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Chronos
There's a City in it...
Sun Nov 5 21:00:13 2000
but, the HTML page has been corrupted, and, it's hell to get to. I had to find the Links, they were about 5 minutes scroll to the right of the Window.
It's M0001638.GIF, the Mapped JPG: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/maps/M0001638.gif
The HTML page is: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0001638.html
The Ancilliary Data is:
Longitude of image center: 283.63°W
Latitude of image center: 17.66°N
Scaled pixel width: 2.94 meters
Scaled image width: 3.01 km
Scaled image height: 14.17 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 122.58°
Local True Solar Time: 14.38 decimal hours
Emission angle: 0.15°
Incidence angle: 33.86°
Phase angle: 33.78°
North azimuth: 93.24°
Sun azimuth: 14.83°
Spacecraft altitude: 391.30 km
Slant distance: 391.30 km
This is one we all need to look at closely.
Gordon
Nice find, Gordon!
Sun Nov 5 23:40:06 2000
A lot there to look at! Can't quite tell if that networked structure toward the top below the crater rim is streets or pipes, I'm definitely leaning toward pipes, possibly connecting up the side of the rim to a pipe that runs along the edge. One of the clearest short branches also seems to run exactly through the middle of a face! It's an amazing pic, I changed the urls in your post to live links to help make sure people don't miss that.
I'd better dig up the URL for that amazing one Paul posted a while ago, too, maybe looking at that and this together might lend perspective- the way that tubing is laid out, it's almost tempting to think irrigation. Bullitt's gotten similar ideas I think about agriculture setups from Paul's pic. Almost tempted to think that's what we may be looking at here in spite of the piece of face art that got in the way of where they wanted the pipes?
Anyway, I've barely explored it thus far, I should hush and go study it more, but it really does grab you. Check it out, everyone.
Great find!
Peace,
Chronos
Thanks, Chronos,..
Mon Nov 6 17:40:23 2000
for changing those URL's to Links. For some reason, none of my HTML was working last night, no matter where I was posting, and, the images didn't show, so, I didn't try to make the ones in that post Links.
Even though I've been saving a lot of images, including this one, I've been so busy trying to get everything back up and running that I haven't had a chance to even look at the image in PSP 7.0. I found it online, and, bang, dropped it in here.
Now, I've got to go get Nasaview, again, set up MOC.bat, again, and, download the IMQ image, just to make sure it is not a corrupted image.
Within the last two days, I've found two images with suspicious "Lost Data" bands in them. One image had two bands of missing Data about 3/4 down the image, mainly because, suddenly, the image lost it's contrast at the first band. There was just something strange about this, so, I scrolled back up and, began studying the area between the Bands. Somehow, I read the Bands to mean, "Look here," and, with good cause. There was a huge 3D Profile between the Bands, wearing a headdress that reminded me of an Aztec Headdress with the Face of a Victim on it.
I think I saved it, but, I'll have to look when I get a breather from all th' things I'm trying to recover, while trying to get everything reconfigured.
The second image had a band of Spirals across the image that had a hand drawn, cloned look. It bore no possible similarity to the Bands of Missing Data I've seen. It reminded me of some of the linked Spirals seen on Mayan Temples, except, hand-drawn, but, I lost the image in one of the famous Microsoft "This program has performed an Immoral Act,"...error Messages.
Ah, WHOA! That reminds me, I downloaded the Microsoft "Error Reporting Tool." HEADS UP, everybody's gotta have this. If I'd had it when I lost that image, I wouldn't be talking about it now, I'd've posted it everywhere. It saves what you were working on, reports the error to Microsoft, then, closes and restores the Window, exactly where you were when the Error occurred. YES, I like that.
Gordon
Good thinking,...
Mon Nov 6 18:28:19 2000
Chronos, I saw the same thing (pipes), except I was more interested in the tiny Grid Patterned area toward the left side, about 1/3 down, and, right at the bottom, where there appears to be some type of Lake, with shore facilities that include what may be a Water Plant.
You can see the typical fading into the depths that you see from a Helicopter or 747 flying out over the Gulf of Mexico, or, any shallow Coastline in the world (i.e. - Kalimantan, Indonesia). There appear to be Reefs, and, Archipelagos in the Water.
Gordon
Look at the Island,...
Mon Nov 6 18:59:30 2000
Chronos, and, just above at the South Shore of the Peninsula that has a Road leading to it, from the right.
I don't know exactly what's on that Island, but, the whole thing has a Port look to it.
Gordon
Pipes & Faces...
Tue Nov 7 10:40:25 2000
What I mentioned, illustrated, and additional faces. I think there's an abundance of "monuments" here (they are abundant enough to again suggest ordinary Martian artistic dwellings I think) so I colored a few. Nice example of a face with two smaller faces set symmetrically in the cheeks... a lot of other things also. Will try to find the archipelago in question next...
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Crater under glass
Mon Nov 6 16:38:34 2000
Here is a first impression, having started at the top. I have seen these lines in many various places but in this case I recall the appearance of plexiglass that has gone through stress over several years, there are always cracks and lines through the material.
This crater has what appear to be two definite sets of walls, with an additional circular structure beneath the striations, note also how the striations arch somewhat towards the ends indicating curvature.
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Yes, and, there...
Mon Nov 6 18:46:29 2000
appear to be some type of Opennings in the left side of the Dome, arranged somewhat like a face. I don't remember seeing anything this specifically Plexiglass looking, before.
There is another strange Crater, just to the right, with striations, and, a shape like an ampitheater.
But, an even greater area of interest is below the Lost Data band near the bottom of the image (and, in the partially obscured section on top of it). One Screen below that Band, I find Roads, Piers, what appears to be some type of Processing Plant, and, in the large Escarpment (almost out of Frame to the Right), a Martian Niagara, a huge Cataract.
Gordon
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This crater has some noticable similarities
Tue Nov 7 10:34:12 2000
at the center of the bottom. Hexagonal, with an internal geometric area. Looks like it's framed on the right side with pipes. Almost... geothermal? You don't suppose some of the pipes could be geothermal?
Anyway, I love this clip, I didn't want to break up the panorama. Reminds me why I'm here, y'know? What else do people want for a "smoking gun" I wonder?
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Based on this Id say yes...
Tue Nov 7 14:30:28 2000
Mars may still be volcanically active
European Space Agency
Thursday, November 02, 2000
Is Mars volcanically dead - or could one of the Tharsis or Elysium volcanoes surprise us yet? Recent evidence from Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) data suggests that perhaps they could. William Hartmann from the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Arizona, Alfred McEwen from the University of Arizona and their team of US collaborators have used images from the MGS camera to estimate that lava flows south of Elysium Mons are a mere 20 million years old. "Some individual flow units could be as young as 10 million years or less", says Hartmann. "In geological terms, that's so recent that volcanic activity might start up again at any time somewhere on the red planet." The clue lies with crater counts They came to this conclusion after counting the number of impact craters of various sizes on the lava flows. The older a surface, the more impact craters it will have because it has been around longer to accumulate them This dating method, however, is uncertain by a factor of up to four and the team's results have yet to gain universal acceptance. "If I tell you I have an area with an age of 20 million years and I'm out by a factor of four, then the true age could be as much as 80 million years. But that's still within the last few per cent of Martian history," points out Hartmann. "This means volcanism did not shut off in the first 2.5 billion years, as some early scientific papers proposed. Rather, the planet apparently continues to have at least some localised, sporadic activity." The team have also found evidence for flows less than 100 million years old on the slopes of Olympus Mons and Arsia Mons, one of the Tharsis volcanoes. But the accuracy of these dates will probably not be known for sure until a lander capable of providing absolute ages of rocks in situ, like Mars Express's Beagle 2
Cheers
Mars is more amazing with
Tue Nov 7 16:40:00 2000
each passing day!! Thanks for the image. Brrrrrrrr.
